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By: duerra

duerra — Sat, 30 Oct 2004 04:23:02 +0000

I’m not sure what Toby is smoking, but pass it to me and ask him this: if APC was standard, who would choose turn it off?

That’s the point. There’s no reason not to have opcode caching. How can you turn down a 1x-100x performance increase??? It’s the one thing that keeps PHP’s performance behind the other commercial alternatives, and it’s currently the *only* major player that doesn’t have a form of byte-code caching.

Yes… I do think Zend is “evil”. They put their financial interests two-fold above PHP and the community – They bought out the developer of Turck MMCache, which was an open source alternative to Zend’s Accelerator – as well as out-performed it! So Zend gets a great programmer… and get rid of the competition for their commercial products. Absolute BS, in my mind.

I’m hopeful for APC. I have word from the developer that we can hopefully expect a new release that’s PHP5 compatible in the next 3-4 weeks. Currently there is no PHP5 compatible opcode cache app apart from Zend Accelerator.

Zend better be watching themselves. They can’t let their financial interests get in the way of what’s best for PHP. If they start becoming too commercial, they aren’t going to have the support in the future that they have right now, regardless of how much they want to. They can’t afford to lose the support of all the cheap hosting sites out there, new developers, etc…. because as much as they want to be a player in corporate America, they that’s going to be a tough (even impossible, with the current model) road to tread, and it’s going to take a lot of time regardless.

In short, yes I’m interested in APC being actively developed as a part of core PHP. Opcode caching support as a core in any language compiled to byte-code shouldn’t even be in question in today’s market.

By: CT

CT — Thu, 22 Jul 2004 02:11:28 +0000

A couple of thoughts:

1. As someone who makes a living building web based applications using mostly PHP, I find that “the curse of PHP’s shallow learning curve and widespread use and availability” cuts both ways. I often steal work from both in-house and contract Java and .NET developers because of PHP’s price/performance lets me keep my rates at their level and undercut them.

2. Maybe we should start promoting PHP.E or PHPEE for PHP Enterprise! Both Java and .NET are more about the marketing hype their owners have done to sell their software than reality. We come up with a logo, throw up one of those industry group websites (phpee.org is available), and set some standards for what PHP Enterprise best practices are (The WACT site has a lot of it already). PHP needs a group that is little Gang of Four and a splash of Sun/Microsoft marketing hype. One who’s focus is “here are some right ways Mr. Enterprise,” not “my way is better than your way.”

3. I’m not sure what Toby is smoking, but pass it to me and ask him this: if APC was standard, who would choose turn it off?

By: andre

andre — Thu, 22 Jul 2004 01:13:43 +0000

right on Toby
besides, adding APC to the standard extensions of PHP will make Zend Optimizer/Accelerator the *alternative* PHP cache and the APC will become the *standard* PHP cache

By: Toby

Toby — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:28:08 +0000

I’m not in favor of adding APC (or other PECL extensions) to the basic PHP build. In my eyes the other way round is the right one. The current PHP dictributions are overcrowded with extensions. Moving all those (not really commonly used) extensions into PECL would be a way to slim the PHP main package and to have extensions installed on demand.